The One & Only Official Music Geeks' Thread

Blind3 · Bericht door **Blind3** » di jun 21, 2005 9:01 pm

Don't know about America re: the issue of roots and identity, but i know that it is important to me. Hence,readings of our national documents and visits to national parks, battlefields,etc..has become a part of my monthly agenda.I sense identity is important,on different levels, to many people I've met in my travels, but that the daily grind often supercedes all other considerations.

Philippe · Bericht door **Philippe** » wo jun 22, 2005 8:00 am

"Identity" is a big issue, but if you want to discuss this, you have to admit that it is a political and rather sensitive question.
I would rather quote one of my favorite songs here :
"IT'S A MIRACLE

Miraculous you call it babe
You ain't seen nothing yet
They've got Pepsi in the Andes
They got McDonalds in Tibet
Yosemite's been turned into
A golf course for the Japs
The Dead Sea is alive with rap
Between the Tigris and Euphrates
There's a leisure center now
They've got all kinds of sports
They've got Bermuda shorts
They had sex in Pennsylvania
A Brazilian grew a tree
And a doctor in Manhattan
Saved a dying man for free
It's a miracle
It's a miracle
It's a miracle
It's a miracle
Another miracle
By the grace of God Almighty
And the pressures of the marketplace
The human race has civilized itself
It's a miracle
We got warehouses of butter
We got oceans of wine
We got famine when we need it
We got designer crime
We got Mercedes
We got Porsche Ferrari and Rolls Royce
Yeah, we got choice
She said meet me
In the Garden of Gethsemene my dear
The Lord said Peter I can see
Your house from here
An honest family man
Finally reaped what he had sown
And a farmer in Ohio has just repaid the loan
It's a miracle
It's a miracle
It's a miracle
It's a miracle
Another miracle
By the grace of God Almighty
And the pressures of the marketplace
The human race has civilized itself
It's a miracle
We cower in our shelters
With our hands over our ears Lloyd-Webber's awful stuff
Runs for years and years and years
An earthquake hits the theatre
But the operetta lingers
Then the piano lid comes down
And breaks his fucking fingers
It's a miracle "
Roger Waters

Bericht door **Kowalczyk** » wo jun 22, 2005 11:58 am

I want to introduce you to a fine gentleman named Jan-Douwe Kroeske, probably Holland's most prominent music 'journalist' on TV (God knows why). He's the TV presenter of the annual live registration of the Pinkpop festival and he always does the short 'post-gig' interviews with the bands who just finished their show. Live on TV. Dutch music journalists know Jan-Douwe Kroeske as the 'King of Bad Questions'.

JDK meets...

... Peter Visser, guitarist of Dutch indie band Bettie Serveert.
JDK: "Is there any difference between an electric and an acoustic guitar?"
Visser: "..." (flabbergasted)

... Adam Duritz, singer of Counting Crows.
Duritz (walking off the stage): "Jesus, I'm tired..."
JDK: "How come?"
Duritz: "Well, I just got off stage."
JDK: "Oh, I see."

... Henry Rollins (sweating, breathing heavily, hardly able to walk; he's given everything on stage...)
JDK: "So, Henry..."
Rollins: "Fuck off, you idiot... I really can't talk now... don't you see?"

... Chris Robinson, singer of Black Crowes.
JDK: "Er, are you in the band?"
Robinson: "No. I'm a roadie. Fuck off."

... Mike Patton, singer of Faith No More.
JDK: "Sometimes you sing really beautiful, but sometimes you scream really loud."
Patton: "Yes...?"
JDK: "I mean: sometimes it's really pretty, but then suddenly you start screaming!"
Patton: "That is correct."
JDK: "So, sometimes you sing and sometimes you scream?"
Patton: "Do you want me to apologize?"

... Chris Cornell, singer of Soundgarden.
JDK: "Why is your music so loud?"
Cornell: "Why are you asking? Didn't you like the show?"
JDK: "Yes, yes, I did!"
Cornell (into the megaphone that he picked up from the table): "People of Holland: do not listen to this man! He's lying! Repeat: he's lying!"

... Shane MacGowan, singer of The Pogues.
JDK: "Shane, those rotten teeth of yours, is that some sort of a publicity stunt?"
MacGowan: "Blohabrhbghdgfytaokn...?"

... Anthony Kiedis, singer of Red Hot Chili Peppers.
JDK: "Your band has a bit of a funky sound."
Kiedis: "I guess that would be a correct statement."
JDK: "Okay. Thanks."
Kiedis: "Welcome."

... Tim Wheeler, singer of Ash.
JDK: "You are currently working on a new record. Will it be the same as the last record?"
Wheeler: "Yes. It is our plan to record the same songs again."

... Les Claypool, bass player of Primus.
JDK: "Who are your main influences?"
Claypool: "Geddy Lee!"
JDK: "Who is Geddy Lee?"
Claypool: "Um... right, I'm out of here."

... Grant Hart, singer of Hüsker Du.
JDK: "Is your band's name pronounced as Husker Doo or Hüsker Duh or Hewsker Doh...?"
Hart: "Who am I to correct people?"
JDK: "So it's Husker Doo?"
Hart: "You got it, man. You got it."

... Anthony Kiedis, singer of Red Hot Chili Peppers.
JDK: "You really like George Clinton. Why do you like him so much?"
Kiedis: "Because he sucks! I really hate his stuff, actually."
JDK: "No... you really like him!"
Kiedis: "Well okay. Whatever you want, buddy."

... Brett Anderson, singer of Suede.
JDK: "Is Head Music a Britpop album?"
Anderson: "That must be the worst question you've ever asked..."
JDK: "No, it isn't, actually!"
Anderson: "You know what? I believe you."

K.

Bericht door **Kowalczyk** » wo jun 22, 2005 12:27 pm

Another good one: I was at the Rock Werchter festival in Belgium a few years ago. The stage presenter was a guy of Studio Brussel, Belgium's fantastic music radio station...

"There is good news and there is bad news. The bad news is that the police have invaded the festival site, and that they are randomly searching people for drugs. The good news is: Eurythmics' plane from London is delayed and they may have to cancel their show."

An hour later:

"Once again I have good news and bad news. The good news is: Eurythmics have just cancelled. The bad news is: Live will be playing instead."

:D

K.

aveslacker · Bericht door **aveslacker** » wo jun 22, 2005 12:30 pm

Kowalczyk schreef:... Shane MacGowan, singer of The Pogues.
JDK: "Shane, those rotten teeth of yours, is that some sort of a publicity stunt?"
MacGowan: "Blohabrhbghdgfytaokn...?"

That's awesome! :headbang:

Are you sure he's not doing that on purpose?

Tom_ · Bericht door **Tom_** » wo jun 22, 2005 3:15 pm

Kowalczyk schreef:I want to introduce you to a fine gentleman named Jan-Douwe Kroeske, probably Holland's most prominent music 'journalist' on TV (God knows why). He's the TV presenter of the annual live registration of the Pinkpop festival and he always does the short 'post-gig' interviews with the bands who just finished their show. Live on TV. Dutch music journalists know Jan-Douwe Kroeske as the 'King of Bad Questions'...

Haha, that's pure class... I love the Mike Patton interview

Bericht door **Kowalczyk** » do jun 23, 2005 3:44 pm

A highlight from another Dutch TV presenter, named Eric Corton. He was interviewing the two leading members of the band Hal.

Corton: "So, how did you guys first meet?"
One of the Hal guys: "Well, we're brothers."

:D

K.

Eric* · Bericht door Eric* » do jun 23, 2005 3:51 pm

Kowalczyk schreef:I want to introduce you to a fine gentleman named Jan-Douwe Kroeske, probably Holland's most prominent music 'journalist' on TV (God knows why). He's the TV presenter of the annual live registration of the Pinkpop festival and he always does the short 'post-gig' interviews with the bands who just finished their show. Live on TV. Dutch music journalists know Jan-Douwe Kroeske as the 'King of Bad Questions'.

JDK meets...

... Peter Visser, guitarist of Dutch indie band Bettie Serveert.
JDK: "Is there any difference between an electric and an acoustic guitar?"
Visser: "..." (flabbergasted)

... Adam Duritz, singer of Counting Crows.
Duritz (walking off the stage): "Jesus, I'm tired..."
JDK: "How come?"
Duritz: "Well, I just got off stage."
JDK: "Oh, I see."

... Henry Rollins (sweating, breathing heavily, hardly able to walk; he's given everything on stage...)
JDK: "So, Henry..."
Rollins: "Fuck off, you idiot... I really can't talk now... don't you see?"

... Chris Robinson, singer of Black Crowes.
JDK: "Er, are you in the band?"
Robinson: "No. I'm a roadie. Fuck off."

... Mike Patton, singer of Faith No More.
JDK: "Sometimes you sing really beautiful, but sometimes you scream really loud."
Patton: "Yes...?"
JDK: "I mean: sometimes it's really pretty, but then suddenly you start screaming!"
Patton: "That is correct."
JDK: "So, sometimes you sing and sometimes you scream?"
Patton: "Do you want me to apologize?"

... Chris Cornell, singer of Soundgarden.
JDK: "Why is your music so loud?"
Cornell: "Why are you asking? Didn't you like the show?"
JDK: "Yes, yes, I did!"
Cornell (into the megaphone that he picked up from the table): "People of Holland: do not listen to this man! He's lying! Repeat: he's lying!"

... Shane MacGowan, singer of The Pogues.
JDK: "Shane, those rotten teeth of yours, is that some sort of a publicity stunt?"
MacGowan: "Blohabrhbghdgfytaokn...?"

... Anthony Kiedis, singer of Red Hot Chili Peppers.
JDK: "Your band has a bit of a funky sound."
Kiedis: "I guess that would be a correct statement."
JDK: "Okay. Thanks."
Kiedis: "Welcome."

... Tim Wheeler, singer of Ash.
JDK: "You are currently working on a new record. Will it be the same as the last record?"
Wheeler: "Yes. It is our plan to record the same songs again."

... Les Claypool, bass player of Primus.
JDK: "Who are your main influences?"
Claypool: "Geddy Lee!"
JDK: "Who is Geddy Lee?"
Claypool: "Um... right, I'm out of here."

... Grant Hart, singer of Hüsker Du.
JDK: "Is your band's name pronounced as Husker Doo or Hüsker Duh or Hewsker Doh...?"
Hart: "Who am I to correct people?"
JDK: "So it's Husker Doo?"
Hart: "You got it, man. You got it."

... Anthony Kiedis, singer of Red Hot Chili Peppers.
JDK: "You really like George Clinton. Why do you like him so much?"
Kiedis: "Because he sucks! I really hate his stuff, actually."
JDK: "No... you really like him!"
Kiedis: "Well okay. Whatever you want, buddy."

... Brett Anderson, singer of Suede.
JDK: "Is Head Music a Britpop album?"
Anderson: "That must be the worst question you've ever asked..."
JDK: "No, it isn't, actually!"
Anderson: "You know what? I believe you."

K.

:D More please, these are hilarious!

LouisXIV & co · Bericht door **LouisXIV & co** » do jun 23, 2005 11:57 pm

Kowalczyk schreef:The bad news is: Live will be playing instead." :D

...says...Kowalczyk... ;)

Blind3 · Bericht door **Blind3** » vr jun 24, 2005 1:29 am

In Ko's defence, he is refering to the Live who used to be. I empathise.York,PA. isn't all that far from Philly or Lancaster. I can recall seeing the Live of The Chameleon Club in Lancaster or The Theatre of Living Arts or Trocadero in Philly. AWESOME!! Pity that those days are just historic footnotes.

GOD(dog spelled backwards) BLESS HENRY ROLLINS!! Black Flag ! Henry Rollins Band! Amazing no matter how you slice it.His spoken word stuff, while off the wall at times,is a show I'd recommend.

Well, Sleater-Kinney tomorrow. Billy Corgan Saturday.Possibly the last tour b4 the return of Smashing Pumpkins, if rumours are more than just rumours.

Bericht door **Kowalczyk** » vr jun 24, 2005 8:52 am

Blind3 schreef:In Ko's defence, he is refering to the Live who used to be.

That's right. I used to be a Live fan. Throwing Copper still is a brilliant rock album. They were a real four-piece guitar band. Their songs were melodic, dynamic and full of passion. Their lyrics were about the 'shit town' they came from, about a waitress or simply about love.

Later they added keyboards, started writing predictable rock ballads for football stadiums and wannabe-philosophical lyrics full of so-called 'spiritual' bollocks. And they started doing a cover version of Imagine, which really is unforgivable. Covering a good tune? Fine. Go ahead. But don't cover a massive, massive hit single and (most importantly) absolutely never cover a song in order to bring a message of peace across. That's like writing an existing poem on a Valentine's Card to a girl you're in lovw with: it's cheap and 'second hand'. Idealism can only be powerful in your own words; if you use a song for it that has become a cliché in itself, it gets tacky.

Anyway: many people don't even notice the difference between 'Live 1995' and 'Live 2005', but to me it's a difference between day and night. A difference between a dynamic guitar band and a bombastic stadium orchestra. A difference between a band that I really loved and a band that I have come to hate (Ed Kowalczyk in particular). Live are now a sort of Bon Jovi, but with more pretentions, so they're actually worse.

But Kowalczyk is still my nickname here. I felt I just couldn't change it. 'Kowalczyk' = me, in a way.

Anyway, listen to songs like Shit Towne, Waitress, Rattlesnake, Century and Insomnia & The Hole in the Universe and you'll hear how superb they once were.

K.

aveslacker · Bericht door **aveslacker** » vr jun 24, 2005 9:10 am

Both Mental Jewelry and Throwing Copper are fantastic albums. I still love to listen to White, Discussion when I'm in a dark mood.

Too bad they went the same self-indulgent way as all the rest.

Although Ed Kowalczyk had a good cameo in Fight Club.

DanK · Bericht door **DanK** » vr jun 24, 2005 10:01 am

Kowalczyk schreef:
Blind3 schreef:In Ko's defence, he is refering to the Live who used to be.
Anyway: many people don't even notice the difference between 'Live 1995' and 'Live 2005', but to me it's a difference between day and night. A difference between a dynamic guitar band and a bombastic stadium orchestra. A difference between a band that I really loved and a band that I have come to hate (Ed Kowalczyk in particular). Live are now a sort of Bon Jovi, but with more pretentions, so they're actually worse.

K.

Ko, you hit it on the head mate. Live in 2005 is a joke of a "rock" band. TC was an incredible album at the time, then they released Throwing Copper 2, 3 etc...except none of these were even close to matching the 'true' feel of the album.

They have become boring and predictable. Where once they were above others, they have now fallen onto the same level as other crap boring pop/rock bands such as Oasis, Matchbox 20 etc. (No offense to people who like these bands!!!). Sales doesn't equal quality...if only bands remembered this.

Anyway thats my 2c...and now i shut up again :X

Bericht door **Kowalczyk** » vr jun 24, 2005 10:41 am

DanK schreef:Ko, you hit it on the head mate. Live in 2005 is a joke of a "rock" band. TC was an incredible album at the time, then they released Throwing Copper 2, 3 etc... except none of these were even close to matching the 'true' feel of the album.

Reasons for that:

- he started thinking he was The Messiah and started writing prententious crap about spirituality
- they 'blew up' their sound
- they started writing 'crowd pleasing' ballads (sometimes you think he already saw 20,000 lighters in his mind when he wrote them)

They have become boring and predictable. Where once they were above others, they have now fallen onto the same level as other crap boring pop/rock bands such as Oasis, Matchbox 20 etc. (No offense to people who like these bands!!!).

Hands off Oasis! ;)

Seriously: they did two great albums, then started to suck and are now almost as irrelevant as Live. But I still have a soft spot for them, because they're so shamelessly arrogant but still come across as good lads you can have a pint with. I could never hate them. My kind of blokes. Live (and indeed: Matchbox 20) are in the category of bands that have become harmless and 'safe'. Oasis, to me, are in the AC/DC category: they can only do only one thing, hit the nail right on the head on a few albums but recorded ten times as many irrelevant ones. But they always stay the same, they bring a little bit of stardom and swagger into the world of rock & roll - and they just rawk.

Sales doesn't equal quality...if only bands remembered this.

Funny thing is: Live don't even sell well. Throwing Copper was a #1 album in the U.S., but nowadays they're not big at all at home. They are huge in a few Western European countries (especially in Holland: did you know that this tiny country generates 50% of their sales nowadays?), but their record company will probably drop them some time soon, because their simply no longer a big-selling band.

Anyway thats my 2c...and now i shut up again :X

Same here!

K.

Per · Bericht door **Per** » vr jul 01, 2005 2:10 pm

You can call me slow, cred-seeking and plainly mainstream - but I still have to say that I just discovered Audiobullys' album Ego War!

Fu¤#ing great album. You gotta love English lads spitting simple lyrics to great beats.

Bericht door **Kowalczyk** » vr jul 01, 2005 9:22 pm

Audiobullys are the BOLLOCKS! Love it!

K.

DanK · Bericht door **DanK** » za jul 02, 2005 10:39 am

Going to see Ryan Adams in Melbourne in a few weeks...hopefully this time he wont crack the shits when someone yells out 'Play summer of 69'...

Bericht door **Kowalczyk** » za jul 02, 2005 4:04 pm

The latest Liam Gallagher quote (from the June issue of Q):

"Coldplay? Four Dido's with willies."

:D

K.

Amol · Bericht door **Amol** » zo jul 03, 2005 2:23 am

Just saw the Live 8 concert on tv....seeing Floyd together after so many years......man it was seriously emotional.

They were the only people who VH-1 & MTV didn't screw up while they were in their performance ( like cutting to go to a commercial break).......finally a show of respect.

bluedaddy19 · Bericht door **bluedaddy19** » zo jul 03, 2005 8:43 am

pink floyd and the who both sounded great

Blind3 · Bericht door **Blind3** » zo jul 03, 2005 5:55 pm

Not a hip-hop fan of any standing ,but seeing Philly's own Will Smith and DJ Jazzy Jeff together again was awesome."Summertime" never sounded so good. :xyxthumbs: Stevie Wonder= :eusa_dance: AWESOME!! A great day with a million of my closest friends.Never got to see Pink Floyd or The Who,but radio stations have been replaying every cut.AWESOME. No complaints.Perfect weather .Great cause.

Blind3 · Bericht door **Blind3** » zo jul 03, 2005 5:59 pm

Add the announced September 30 and October 1 Pearl Jam /Sleater-Kinney shows in Atlantic "Gambling Capital of the east coast" City to yesterdays festivities. :yes: WHAT A WEEK!!!

Blind3 · Bericht door **Blind3** » vr jul 15, 2005 6:55 pm

Caught shows by Tegan and Sara,exploring my feminine side I guess, and Dinosaur Jr/Broken Social Scene this week.STRONG RECOMMENDATIONS on both if they come to your towns.Really enjoyable.

Pearl Jam rumour of the week: one or two shows in Philadelphia somewhere around October 2nd or 3rd. Announcement possible as early as next week.New Album reportedly half done.See Mike McCready interview of this week on USA Today's website, the 11th or 12th. :headbang: :headbang:

DanK · Bericht door **DanK** » zo jul 17, 2005 6:09 am

Not sure if anyone else has seen any eps (or if anyone cares for that matter). Even though I hate 99% of "reality" shows, I have got stuck into watching Rockstar INXS, in which whats left of INXS try to find a new lead singer. It got me thinking, how many bands have managed to get a new lead singer and stay successful.

Of the top of my head I can only think of:
AC/DC & Van Halen. Surely there must be others. Although I am sure there must be more that have failed dismally.
:headbang:

ajaxshark · Bericht door **ajaxshark** » zo jul 17, 2005 7:03 am

I think for the most part, bands that lose their lead singer split up or quit. The Lead is the face of the group and no band, no matter how good can make up the public persona and image that was lost. Foo Fighters...great band...offspring of Nirvana, but could never be. Or they tour and play the old songs with someone and any new, original stuff is crap. The two you named are about it.