01 Oct 2006: FC Utrecht - Ajax

Bericht door **Kowalczyk** » zo okt 01, 2006 3:54 pm

YEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH!!!!!!!

:tifoajax: :tifoajax:

K.

GangstaRiB · Bericht door **GangstaRiB** » zo okt 01, 2006 4:01 pm

Despite a SHIT referee, we completed the job.

MotM: Babel, closely followed by Urby and Gabri.

andy · Bericht door **andy** » zo okt 01, 2006 4:17 pm

Don't forget Wes!!!!

SwedishFan · Bericht door **SwedishFan** » zo okt 01, 2006 4:41 pm

Ahhh! Top of the table. This looks promising!

Venezuelan Ajacied · Bericht door **Venezuelan Ajacied** » zo okt 01, 2006 7:05 pm

Man would i have loved too watch this one, missed it because of a beach trip :sad: but ohh well....we won !!!!!!!!! Hell Yeah babY!!!!!!!!! LETS KEEP ON ROLLING :headbang: ;)

Bericht door **Arthur** » zo okt 01, 2006 7:20 pm

You can download the highlights here: http://www.ultrasuid.nl/utrechtajax.htm

ofey · Bericht door **ofey** » ma okt 02, 2006 12:06 am

I watched the highlights and around the 15min mark, there was an incident concerning Urby and he was axed by Tim Corneliessen for not putting the ball out of play whilst an Utrecht player was on the ground. I didn't see who put the Utrecht player down but I too would have played on like Urby. Utrecht knew the player was down but played on as they were on the attack and that suited them so if the ball breaks for us, why the hell should we need to put the ball out??

Bericht door **Kowalczyk** » ma okt 02, 2006 12:36 am

Yeah - exactly. The Utrecht bloke went down injured. His team-mates most definitely saw him go down, as he was pretty much in front of the ball when he went to the grass. Utrecht decided to play on, because the were in possession and on a break. They tried to create a chance and score a goal.

Then Ajax intercepted and all of a sudden they expected Ajax to kick the ball out of play. Yeah, right. If it was such an emergency they should have done that themselves.

Urby played on and was quite shamelessly mowed down from behind by some c**t, who kicked him with his leg raised. A 100% red card is what I say, but the referee didn't have the guts - and that wasn't the only time.

I am not one of those football fans who always moans about the referees, but Van Egmond wasn't exactly on our side today, to say the least. As far as I could see, Jaap Stam brought Fortuné down outside of the box, for example.

Oh well - who cares? I will never forget this one. Man, was that away end going mental when Perez scored... F**king hell.

K.

Bericht door **Kowalczyk** » ma okt 02, 2006 9:13 am

Match report is now up on Ajax USA!

http://www.ajax-usa.com/matches/m06-07/ ... t-2-3.html

K.

Jesse · Bericht door **Jesse** » ma okt 02, 2006 11:19 am

Nice one, Ko.

:xyxthumbs:

Manneken Pis · Bericht door **Manneken Pis** » ma okt 02, 2006 2:49 pm

Kowalczyk schreef: I am not one of those football fans who always moans about the referees, but Van Egmond wasn't exactly on our side today, to say the least. As far as I could see, Jaap Stam brought Fortuné down outside of the box, for example.

K.

This is what should happen...

http://football.guardian.co.uk/News_Sto ... 13,00.html

aveslacker · Bericht door **aveslacker** » ma okt 02, 2006 3:48 pm

It's awesome that they won, but why the 4-4-2? I'm guessing it is because KJH is out, and they don't have a true 4-4-3-style center forward. Anyone?

Bericht door **Kowalczyk** » ma okt 02, 2006 4:36 pm

aveslacker schreef:It's awesome that they won, but why the 4-4-2? I'm guessing it is because KJH is out, and they don't have a true 4-4-3-style center forward. Anyone?

First of all: it wasn't really a 4-4-2. Babel was the centre forard and Rosales the right winger. The only difference: there was no left winger. Urby Emanuelson was the most forward man on the left flank: a 'false' left winger, as they say.

Ten Cate had two reasons to go for this system.

1. KJH wasn't there, so he had to think of something else.

2. Utrecht's weakest footballer in defense is Cornelisse, their right fullback. Ten cate decided to give him space, so that Utrecht would be tempted to let him do the build-up. And it worked.

K.

FlaFlu · Bericht door **FlaFlu** » ma okt 02, 2006 4:52 pm

Kowalczyk schreef:2. Utrecht's weakest footballer in defense is Cornelisse, their right fullback. Ten cate decided to give him space, so that Utrecht would be tempted to let him do the build-up. And it worked.

K.

That and because Ten Cate found him weaker when he didn't have an opponent he could bite into. No one that he could 'feel'.

Amol · Bericht door **Amol** » ma okt 02, 2006 4:55 pm

This is what uefa.com has to say about the win & the season so far -

http://www.uefa.com/footballeurope/news ... 63431.html

Venezuelan Ajacied · Bericht door **Venezuelan Ajacied** » ma okt 02, 2006 7:07 pm

Amol schreef:This is what uefa.com has to say about the win & the season so far -

http://www.uefa.com/footballeurope/news ... 63431.html

Shit!!!!!!!! i posted this on another thread :D

aveslacker · Bericht door **aveslacker** » ma okt 02, 2006 7:13 pm

Kowalczyk schreef:
aveslacker schreef:It's awesome that they won, but why the 4-4-2? I'm guessing it is because KJH is out, and they don't have a true 4-4-3-style center forward. Anyone?
First of all: it wasn't really a 4-4-2. Babel was the centre forard and Rosales the right winger. The only difference: there was no left winger. Urby Emanuelson was the most forward man on the left flank: a 'false' left winger, as they say.

Ten Cate had two reasons to go for this system.

1. KJH wasn't there, so he had to think of something else.

2. Utrecht's weakest footballer in defense is Cornelisse, their right fullback. Ten cate decided to give him space, so that Utrecht would be tempted to let him do the build-up. And it worked.

K.

Thanks for the info.

I like that they're winning now, but I hope that the 4-4-2 is only temporary.

dws · Bericht door **dws** » ma okt 02, 2006 9:19 pm

Arthur schreef:You can download the highlights here: http://www.ultrasuid.nl/utrechtajax.htm

Thanks for this. Ultrasuid seems to be f*cked .... couldn't access this file; seems they are having problems with their bandwidth provider.

GangstaRiB · Bericht door **GangstaRiB** » ma okt 02, 2006 9:35 pm

aveslacker schreef:
Kowalczyk schreef:
aveslacker schreef:It's awesome that they won, but why the 4-4-2? I'm guessing it is because KJH is out, and they don't have a true 4-4-3-style center forward. Anyone?
First of all: it wasn't really a 4-4-2. Babel was the centre forard and Rosales the right winger. The only difference: there was no left winger. Urby Emanuelson was the most forward man on the left flank: a 'false' left winger, as they say.

Ten Cate had two reasons to go for this system.

1. KJH wasn't there, so he had to think of something else.

2. Utrecht's weakest footballer in defense is Cornelisse, their right fullback. Ten cate decided to give him space, so that Utrecht would be tempted to let him do the build-up. And it worked.

K.
Thanks for the info.

I like that they're winning now, but I hope that the 4-4-2 is only temporary.

I'm getting really sick and tired about that 4-3-3/4-4-2 conversation. The 4-4-2 system against Utrecht had more offensive intentions than the average 4-3-3 game the past years.... Utrecht didn't get a chance and Ajax looked rocksolid in combination with good football.

Bericht door **Kowalczyk** » ma okt 02, 2006 11:12 pm

GangstaRiB schreef:I'm getting really sick and tired about that 4-3-3/4-4-2 conversation. The 4-4-2 system against Utrecht had more offensive intentions than the average 4-3-3 game the past years.... Utrecht didn't get a chance and Ajax looked rocksolid in combination with good football.

:yes: :xyxthumbs:

It's all a matter of terminology, really. A 4-4-2 with offensive outer midfielders and one striker playing just behind the other one, is in practice exactly the same as a 4-3-3 with a 'number 10'. Who cares.

In Utrecht, Ajax played ina 4-3-3 with a left winger (Urby Emanuelson) who dropped back to midfield when Utrecht had possession. There really wasn't much more to it than that.

K.

Blind3 · Bericht door **Blind3** » ma okt 02, 2006 11:14 pm

I don't care what player combination equal to 10 Ajax use. The old school Oakland Raiders had it right : JUST WIN BABY! Sunday's performance capped off my Zagreb and Athens PJ holiday just right . After several years of them scything us down , and too many years of frustration in Utrecht especially, Sunday was oh so sweet . GREAT JOB BOYS! :xyxthumbs:

andy · Bericht door **andy** » di okt 03, 2006 4:21 am

Sorry to go on with the topic, but I actually like the idea of not playing 4-3-3 anymore. I'd like to see us playing a 4-4-2 with a diamond formation. having Wes playing like Frank Lampard does in Chelsea for example would be great.

aveslacker · Bericht door **aveslacker** » di okt 03, 2006 2:42 pm

I guess I'm in the minority here. I believe the 4-3-3 is a part of Ajax as much as the red & white kits are. If there is a good reason to go to a 4-4-2, such as an injury to a key player, that's fine. Otherwise, I like the 4-3-3. It's unique, and, when fitted with the right personnel, lends itself to brilliant football.

Bericht door **Kowalczyk** » di okt 03, 2006 8:00 pm

aveslacker schreef:I guess I'm in the minority here. I believe the 4-3-3 is a part of Ajax as much as the red & white kits are.

I'm on your side on that one, don't get me wrong, although the 'holy thing' to me is 'offensive football via the wings' - not necessarily 4-3-3 as such.

My point was: the changes weren't that radical. Sometimes Ajax will play with three 'defending defenders' and a fourth defender playing (the 'number 4' position) in front of the defense line, plus to 'classic' wingers.

In Utrecht Ajax played with four real defenders and a left winger who left the actual left forward position open, but came from midfield (that was Urby). We're talking about two relatively minor changes here. Two details, if you wish, only to disrupt Utrecht's play (and it worked). The rest of the formation was intact, and all the patterns were the same. Even the right winger and the centre forward played like they always do.

K.

andy · Bericht door **andy** » wo okt 04, 2006 1:52 am

Well it is good to see that Ten Cate has some imagination and does not stick to one solid formation all the time. So great, no more to be said about the formation deal, this victory was very important and a great confidence booster. Still there is a long way till we can celebrate in Leidseplein (well not me, I live half the world away from Amsterdam), but winning a game like this makes you dream.