25 Feb 2007: AZ - Ajax

[aveslacker]

Well, that was some "creative" officiating.

But I have to say, that's the best defensive effort I've seen Ajax undertake this season.

Hats off to the boys, they fought hard.

[Venezuelan Ajacied]

Well, that was some "creative" officiating.

But I have to say, that's the best defensive effort I've seen Ajax undertake this season.

Hats off to the boys, they fought hard.

Thats why it hurts a little bit more too, Ajax with ten men actually played better than a full AZ squad.

We deserved the three points :nooo:

I feel robed.

[ZoefdeHaas]

http://img6.picsplace.to/img6/25/goal3_000.gif

Close up on the AZ goal in which they obviously did not deserve

[Philippe]

well done, Louis :rocketwhore:
see you for the play-offs ... :D

[Kowalczyk]

The ref and his assistants were absolute cunts today

Yup. I hate fans who always moan about the referee. I see their mistakes, but I almost never feel that it actually influenced the result. And 99% of the times they make mistakes both ways rather than that they actually 'support' one of the teams.

But today...?

Man, we really were fucked over. Absolutely robbed. What an arsehole.

We did really well with ten men. We took the lead, we had everything under control and AZ did not look like they were gonna score. Wegereef helped them out, and killed the league singlehandedly. This draw is really a defeat: one point is absolutely useless. PSV must be laughing their balls off. This was a must-win, and the painful thing is: we would have won it if it wasn't for that c**t Wegereef.

K.

[GangstaRiB]

The ref and his assistants were absolute cunts today

Yup. I hate fans who always moan about the referee. I see their mistakes, but I almost never feel that it actually influenced the result. And 99% of the times they make mistakes both ways rather than that they actually 'support' one of the teams.

But today...?

Man, we really were fucked over. Absolutely robbed. What an arsehole.

We did really well with ten men. We took the lead, we had everything under control and AZ did not look like they were gonna score. Wegereef helped them out, and killed the league singlehandedly. This draw is really a defeat: one point is absolutely useless. PSV must be laughing their balls off. This was a must-win, and the painful thing is: we would have won it if it wasn't for that c**t Wegereef.

K.

Yup, we were far better than AZ, even with 10.

[Manneken Pis]

As soon as I saw Wegereef was the ref I was nervous...the guy has a track record of cock-ups. The entire Eredivisie came out of this affair looking amateur...and the title is now definitely decided.

The Dutch won't do anything though...they have to be seen as supporting refs....

Unbelievable.... :nooo:

[ZoefdeHaas]

Dutch refs are a joke anyways.

But this time...agh robbed big time. And Jenner that diving douche, Davids shouldn't have been sent off like that, though he proll wouldve sooner or later.

[Philippe]

Dutch refs are a joke anyways.

The referee for the game in Bremen was not Dutch.

Let's stop investing huge amounts of money on top players : learn from our friends from northern Italy and buy referees.

[ZoefdeHaas]

I know, I was simply speaking in general. In my opinion most Dutch refs are jokers.

[SPL]

I agree the ref cost us 2 points and the title is out of question but the title
was probably lost last week with our schoolboy defending v Excelsior!!

[Philippe]

anyone knows about the play-offs schedule ?

[aveslacker]

Let's stop investing huge amounts of money on top players : learn from our friends from northern Italy and buy referees.

I have to admit: that was pretty funny. :headbang:

[ZoefdeHaas]

Lille are appealing about Gigg's goal in their Man Utd match in CL.

Ajax sould try the same, after all it was CLEARLY not a goal.

[SPL]

As much as we all hate Man U my friends and son all agreed that Giggs was agoal.It has happened half adozen times in England this season.

AZ goal should not have been allowed as he made contact with the goalie.

I will have to show the goal to my son as he knows the rules better than me and refs at his school.

[Cedric]

The Gigg's goal is ok according to the laws but this is so "lame", "mean" or whatever the word... And the way it was done... : nobody except the referee (a Dutch btw :D), Giggs and maybe Rooney knew it would be a quick free kick. Very strange and unfair rule anyway.

Back on topic : If I understood well, the referee's chief at KNVB said it was well a foul and that the goal shouldn't have been allowed, but then ?
Ah, and we will never find Wegereef on our way again... He will never officiate in Ajax game again.

[aveslacker]

Looks like the KNVB agrees with us.

De gelijkmaker van AZ zondagmiddag in de wedstrijd tegen Ajax had afgekeurd moeten worden. Dat zegt Jaap Uilenberg, coördinator scheidsrechterszaken van de voetbalbond.

,,Er was inderdaad sprake van een overtreding op Maarten Stekelenburg. De Zeeuw gleed met gestrekt been door op de doelman en dat had moeten worden bestraft met een vrije trap voor Ajax. Vanuit de positie van de scheidsrechter, die in de rug keek van de spelers, was de overtreding echter moeilijk waarneembaar, waarbij ook de assistent-scheidsrechter geen andersluidend advies gaf."

De beslissingen van scheidsrechter Jan Wegereef om Ajax-speler Edgar Davids twee keer een gele kaart te geven, waren allebei juist. Uilenberg: ,,Bij de eerste gele kaart gaat het om de onbesuisde wijze van inkomen. Die gele kaart was op z'n plaats. Het feit of een speler al dan niet wordt geraakt, is in deze niet van belang. Bij de tweede gele kaart onderbreekt Davids met een overtreding een veelbelovende aanval. Geel dus."

The equalizer in Sunday afternoon's match between Az and Ajax should have been disallowed. So says Jaap Uilenberg, coordinator of officials at the KNVB.

"There was indeed talk of a foul against Martin Stekelenberg. De Zeeuw slid with an outstretched leg into the goalie, and it should have been a free kick for Ajax. From the position of the referee, who looked at the backs of the players, the foul was not easily observable, and the linesman also didn't give any conflicting advice."

The decisions of referee Jan Wegereef, wherein he showed two yellow cards to Ajax player Edgar Davids, were both correct. Uilenberg: "The first yellow card had to do with the reckless manner in which he went in to the challenge. The card was correct. The fact that no contact was made is in this case not important. With the second card, Davids interrupted play with an obvious foul. Yellow, then."

Well, one out of two ain't bad. And I understand that Wegereef has been given the weekend off. Shame -- one week too late.

[Philippe]

in fact the referee was so pathetic that he will not ref the NAC - PSV quarterfinals as he was supposed to

there should be video replay for refs, and some sort of appeal system

[dws]

in fact the referee was so pathetic that he will not ref the NAC - PSV quarterfinals as he was supposed to

there should be video replay for refs, and some sort of appeal system

A clown sitting in a caravan watching a video monitor is not much different to a clown on the field of play. Just ask anyone who follows Rugby union. :yes:

[Philippe]

the point with video is that it can watched by a second referee :glotz:

[dws]

the point with video is that it can watched by a second referee :glotz:

As happens in rugby union - and they still get it FUCKING wrong.

Forget about video refs. As I stated earlier: a clown sitting in a caravan ( video ref ain't inside the ground in rugby ... sits in a little van with viewing screen outside the ground) is not much different to a clown on the field of play.

Scotland, England, France, Wales and South Africa have all been shafted by the video referee over the years.

[aveslacker]

the point with video is that it can watched by a second referee :glotz:

As happens in rugby union - and they still get it FUCKING wrong.

Forget about video refs. As I stated earlier: a clown sitting in a caravan ( video ref ain't inside the ground in rugby ... sits in a little van with viewing screen outside the ground) is not much different to a clown on the field of play.

Scotland, England, France, Wales and South Africa have all been shafted by the video referee over the years.

That doesn't mean that the video referee can't get it right more often than the guy on the field.

In fact, they do. The closer officiating gets to getting it right 100% of the time, the better the sport is. The argument that video referees should not be allowed because they might mistakes is fallacious. Sure, they might make mistakes. But they'll make far less mistakes than do humans with no video assistance.

Cricket uses some video refereeing (not enough, imo), as does basketball, both rugby codes and gridiron football. There's no reason association football can't join the club.

For once Phillippe has it right. :yes:

[dws]

the point with video is that it can watched by a second referee :glotz:

As happens in rugby union - and they still get it FUCKING wrong.

Forget about video refs. As I stated earlier: a clown sitting in a caravan ( video ref ain't inside the ground in rugby ... sits in a little van with viewing screen outside the ground) is not much different to a clown on the field of play.

Scotland, England, France, Wales and South Africa have all been shafted by the video referee over the years.

That doesn't mean that the video referee can't get it right more often than the guy on the field.

In fact, they do. The closer officiating gets to getting it right 100% of the time, the better the sport is. The argument that video referees should not be allowed because they might mistakes is fallacious. Sure, they might make mistakes. But they'll make far less mistakes than do humans with no video assistance.

Cricket uses some video refereeing (not enough, imo), as does basketball, both rugby codes and gridiron football. There's no reason association football can't join the club.

For once Phillippe has it right. :yes:

aveslacker, you make some good points :yes: - but when the video ref gets it so obviously wrong :fundamentje:

I still stand by my previous statement; a clown in a caravan ...etc..etc...

Wegereef on the field of play and Luinge as the video ref ;)

[Cedric]

Yeah, but the probability of having 2 clowns for the same game should be a bit lower I guess... (not sure, I'm not an expert in this domain )

[dws]

Yeah, but the probability of having 2 clowns for the same game should be a bit lower I guess... (not sure, I'm not an expert in this domain )

Cedric, You don't seem very confident of that happening :D but your probably right ... I guess :xyxthumbs: