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yeah...by the way...Den Haag and F-nerd were the bitches with anti-semitc flags against ajax and anti-semitcs songs against ajax

and other clubs

Kowalczyk schreef:This sucks.

The KNVB have the intention to penalize Ajax for the behaviour of some of the supporters during FC Utrecht vs Ajax of 27 November 2005. Ajax supporters are deemed guilty of the following facts:

- destruction of some 600 seats in the visitors section
- destruction of a glass 'separation wall' and fencing
- destruction of the pavement inside the visitors section and throwing bricks
- destruction of a security camera inside the visitors section

Given the seriousness and the scale of the trouble on 27 November the KNVB have sent Ajax a settlement proposal of one game without travelling fans (that is: Ajax will not be allocated tickets to the away section for one Eredivisie away fixture). This measure will be effective three weeks after 30 January 2006.

If Ajax do not accept the settlement proposal, the case will be forwarded to the disciplinary committee of the KNVB.

Okay, I guess Ajax should accept this. It really was quite bad over there so I guess we had this one coming. If they make a case out of this one we will get f*cked even worse. I don't exactly understand which game it will be. My first thought was: yeah, right, they bring this up now, so that they can screw us for Feyenoord away (nice and convenient for the Railways, as they're not really looking forward to having us anyway), but it seems like it can only be in the third week of February or later.

We'll see what happens, but this is shit.

Ajax have accepted. No away fans to Heracles Almelo on 26 February. Officially, that is. Should be possible to get a couple of tickets for a home section one way or the other. No worries.

K.

Went to see the training on Saturday morning, and supporters were giving leaflets for an association called AFCA supporters, which I believe is the new name for the OFA

That is correct. I am working on a news report about it, but I'm a bit busy, so it's not up yet.

But it's true: the old OFA and the Ajax Supporters' Delegation (ASD) have merged into the brand-new AFCA Supportersclub. I will finish the news report a.s.a.p.

K.

I already posted this link in the Ajax vs Feyenoord thread, but I guess I should post over here, too... Great article from The Times (England) about the Ajax vs Feyenoord rivalry.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/ ... 336946.ece

K.

A really interesting article. Thanks for posting it. ( I read it in the paper the other day but have no clue how to post such things on the net.)

Kowalczyk schreef:I already posted this link in the Ajax vs Feyenoord thread, but I guess I should post over here, too... Great article from The Times (England) about the Ajax vs Feyenoord rivalry.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/ ... 336946.ece

K.

Great article? Come on Ko, this piece of garbage must make your skin crawl! Surely written by an Ajax fan and definately someone who doesn't have all the facts straight. Great article for an Ajax fan, maybe, but as a whole not worth reading.

Raymon schreef:Great article? Come on Ko, this piece of garbage must make your skin crawl! Surely written by an Ajax fan and definately someone who doesn't have all the facts straight. Great article for an Ajax fan, maybe, but as a whole not worth reading.

Correction: not a great article, but a great read. It's all a bit exaggerated, but calling it a piece of garbage would be a bit of an exaggeration in itself, if you ask me...

K.

the article schreef: In football, you will struggle to find a more vivid contrast than the one between Ajax, the self-styled aesthetes and liberal champions of totaal voetbal, and that “bunch of antiSemitic dockers” from Rotterdam.

Hmm.. how much I love to read this, it doesn't have any journalistic value.

[qoute]
Until the last vote, Amsterdam was liberal to socialist, whereas Rotterdam has become more right wing, with Pim Fortuyn setting up his anti-immigration party in the city.” [/quote]

How much I dislike Fortuyn, his party was more than anti-immigration and besides, this is already a while back.

Ruud Krol’s father hiding 17 Jews in the flat above his café against Feyenoord being expelled from the Uefa Cup for hooliganism.

Come ooooon, you can't think of yourself as a proper journalist if you can put this to paper.

And then there is the football. Ajax have the history — four European Cups to Feyenoord’s one

I believe it is 5 to 2..

Sorry Ko, simply garbage.

Raymon schreef:

And then there is the football. Ajax have the history — four European Cups to Feyenoord’s one

I believe it is 5 to 2..

I think it's indeed 4 to 1 if you only take Champions League Cups into account.

1971, 1972, 1973, 1995 for Ajax and 1970 for Feyenoord.

Cause if you give 2 to Feyenoord, then Ajax should get all their 6.

Raymon schreef:

In football, you will struggle to find a more vivid contrast than the one between Ajax, the self-styled aesthetes and liberal champions of totaal voetbal, and that “bunch of antiSemitic dockers” from Rotterdam.

Hmm.. how much I love to read this, it doesn't have any journalistic value.

The man is drawing a picture of the traditional differences between Ajax and Feyenoord - and the 'aesthetes versus dockworkers' myth is a crucial difference between the two club cultures. That aspect is definitely part of the Ajax vs Feyenoord tradition and you simply can't leave it out of a story that is supposed to introduce a foreign readership to the Dutch Classic. I mentioned it in my Feyenoord club profile on Ajax USA as well. What's wrong with that? You want to explain a foreign readership the cultural differences between Ajax and Feyenoord - and where they come from. The 'style & swagger versus work ethic' thing is a crucial aspect.

The author uses pretty exaggerated words, thereby making clear that it is more a cultural myth than a modern reality. That's totally clear in the context of the article.

Until the last vote, Amsterdam was liberal to socialist, whereas Rotterdam has become more right wing, with Pim Fortuyn setting up his anti-immigration party in the city.”

How much I dislike Fortuyn, his party was more than anti-immigration and besides, this is already a while back.

Rotterdam has always been more of a right wing city, with a larger 'extreme right' contingent amongst the population. That is not new, but it has been consistently the case throughout Rotterdam history, for example in the early 1980s (the old Centrumpartij days).

Again: the man is drawing a picture of the cultural and political differences between Amsterdam and Rotterdam, and this is a typical aspect of it. How much does it have to do with the Classic? Hmm, not much, I think. But it is a legitimate point anyway.

Ruud Krol’s father hiding 17 Jews in the flat above his café against Feyenoord being expelled from the Uefa Cup for hooliganism.

Come ooooon, you can't think of yourself as a proper journalist if you can put this to paper.

Agreed. Suggesting that those things have anything to do with each other is total bollocks. Absolute bullshit. We've been expelled for hooliganism also - and I'm sure there were loads of Jews in hiding in Rotterdam. This observation from the author makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

And then there is the football. Ajax have the history — four European Cups to Feyenoord’s one

I believe it is 5 to 2.

When an Englishman speaks of 'the European Cup' he is referring to the cup that we (in Holland) generally refer to as the 'Europa Cup I' (or: European Champions Cup). If we count to the number of 'Big Ones' the score is, indeed, 4-1 in Ajax's favour.

If you count the other European trophies as well (UEFA Cup and European Cup Winners' Cup) the score would be 6-3 to Ajax.

I agree with you that there is a lot more to say about the Classic than this author does, and that he is drawing a bit of a simplistic picture, but then again: it's a series of short articles that serve as an introduction to some of Europe's most emotionally charged football 'grudge games'. If you look at it that way, the article more or less sums it up accurately. Like it or not, but I don't think it's garbage...

K.

Kowalczyk schreef:

Raymon schreef:

In football, you will struggle to find a more vivid contrast than the one between Ajax, the self-styled aesthetes and liberal champions of totaal voetbal, and that “bunch of antiSemitic dockers” from Rotterdam.

Hmm.. how much I love to read this, it doesn't have any journalistic value.

The man is drawing a picture of the traditional differences between Ajax and Feyenoord - and the 'aesthetes versus dockworkers' myth is a crucial difference between the two club cultures. That aspect is definitely part of the Ajax vs Feyenoord tradition and you simply can't leave it out of a story that is supposed to introduce a foreign readership to the Dutch Classic. I mentioned it in my Feyenoord club profile on Ajax USA as well. What's wrong with that? You want to explain a foreign readership the cultural differences between Ajax and Feyenoord - and where they come from. The 'style & swagger versus work ethic' thing is a crucial aspect.

I was talking about the anti semitic reference..

And then there is the football. Ajax have the history — four European Cups to Feyenoord’s one

I believe it is 5 to 2.

When an Englishman speaks of 'the European Cup' he is referring to the cup that we (in Holland) generally refer to as the 'Europa Cup I' (or: European Champions Cup). If we count to the number of 'Big Ones' the score is, indeed, 4-1 in Ajax's favour.

If you count the other European trophies as well (UEFA Cup and European Cup Winners' Cup) the score would be 6-3 to Ajax.[/quote]

I thought he was talking about the CL or European Cup 1 but later in the article he speaks about 5 European Cups. He just confused me I guess. And obviously my counting is crap as well :D

It's just that I read this article in a different topic as well and I thought that you, being a journalist, would rip this article to pieces :D My wrong. ;)

Raymon schreef:I was talking about the anti semitic reference..

Well, that bit is between quotation marks. Apparently it's a quote.

It's just that I read this article in a different topic as well and I thought that you, being a journalist, would rip this article to pieces :D My wrong. ;)

Again: I don't think it's great, or even good, but I always like reading Ajax articles in newspapers in other countries (just to see what they make out of it) and I thought it was an entertaining read.

It's a series of short articles about derbies and 'grudge games' and in a series like that there is no escape from the myths and clichés that made it a 'grudge game' in the first place (even if they're hardly relevant anymore nowadays). I don't think it's good, but I don't see that many factual errors, so I wouldn't call it garbage either. Let's say it's somewhere in between...

K.

Ajax supporters' main website goes black for 24 hours to protest against the elimination ...www.afca.nl

Damn straight, I also pity the Dutch people who are happy that Ajax didnt make it in Europe, I for one would be upset if a Dutch club failed in Europe unless it was against ....Ajax..

ZoefdeHaas schreef:I also pity the Dutch people who are happy that Ajax didnt make it in Europe

That's fucking idiots : Portugal has 3 teams in C1, Scotland and Turkey 2. It does show where is the Dutch football...

could someone explain to me why AJAX supporters are going to volendam to attack heerenveen supporters?

http://www.101greatgoals.com/2009/04/aj ... -volendam/

bluedaddy19 schreef:could someone explain to me why AJAX supporters are going to volendam to attack heerenveen supporters?

http://www.101greatgoals.com/2009/04/aj ... -volendam/

F*ck knows...

I was at the Volendam vs Heerenveen game. I went to Volendam hours before the game and I was right in the little street where it happened: two pubs opposite each other. There was a group of Ajax fans there. 30 of 'em, very clearly of the 'hard core' type. But everything was really peaceful. Fans were drinking beer together, everybody was chatting and there seemed to be no problem whatsoever. I left the pub around 8:00 PM. Match started at 8:45, but many Heerenveen fans and the Ajax group stayed behind, as they had no tickets.

I was at the ground when a Heerenveen supporter we've known for many years received a phone call from his mates along the 'Dike' (where the pubs are): they had been attacked, totally out of nowhere and it had kicked off big time. The police were escorting them out of Volendam. Our mate left the ground immediately, as he was driving back with them in a little van (he was the only one from his little group that had a match ticket, through me).

This is a complete mystery to me and I honestly don't understand what this is all about. Pretty much every club in the country hates us. Volendam and Heerenveen were just about the only ones we've always had a very good relationship with. It's a mystery to me and I am deeply embarrassed. It's very, very sad, indeed. No more peaceful drinking and chatting in Heerenveen, from now on. Their fanatical group has now had it with us.

No Volendam fans were involved, by the way. The two pubs I'm talking about were full of Heerenveen fans - and a little group of Ajax.

What can I say?

K.

Kowalczyk schreef: F*ck knows...

I was at the Volendam vs Heerenveen game. I went to Volendam hours before the game and I was right in the little street where it happened: two pubs opposite each other. There was a group of Ajax fans there. 30 of 'em, very clearly of the 'hard core' type. But everything was really peaceful. Fans were drinking beer together, everybody was chatting and there seemed to be no problem whatsoever. I left the pub around 8:00 PM. Match started at 8:45, but many Heerenveen fans and the Ajax group stayed behind, as they had no tickets.

I was at the ground when a Heerenveen supporter we've known for many years received a phone call from his mates along the 'Dike' (where the pubs are): they had been attacked, totally out of nowhere and it had kicked off big time. The police were escorting them out of Volendam. Our mate left the ground immediately, as he was driving back with them in a little van (he was the only one from his little group that had a match ticket, through me).

This is a complete mystery to me and I honestly don't understand what this is all about. Pretty much every club in the country hates us. Volendam and Heerenveen were just about the only ones we've always had a very good relationship with. It's a mystery to me and I am deeply embarrassed. It's very, very sad, indeed. No more peaceful drinking and chatting in Heerenveen, from now on. Their fanatical group has now had it with us.

No Volendam fans were involved, by the way. The two pubs I'm talking about were full of Heerenveen fans - and a little group of Ajax.

What can I say?

K.

yeah, i had no idea how that cam about, it sounds so random and bizarre and pointless

grrrrr

bluedaddy19 schreef:could someone explain to me why AJAX supporters are going to volendam to attack heerenveen supporters?

http://www.101greatgoals.com/2009/04/aj ... -volendam/

I heard a rumour that the Ajax "fans" had received an invite from young Heerenveen hardcore to meet with them at Volendam.

http://www.vak410.nl/main/?p=2484

can someone translate what they are talking about. i understood only atmosphere, de meer and arena