Players Leaving Ajax

[souras84]

Reports say that Janssen is bound to be presented by Vitesse on Friday! I don't care if it's wrong or if it's right, BUT we surely need replacements...

[SPL]

Raiola is sounding out AC Milan to buy Anita not sure this is legal .Imo Anita will leave this month ,he was keen to extend his contract back in May and Ajax's delay has possibly suggested to him that they do not value him that high .Only since Newcastle came in with an offer have Ajax suddenly thought they will talk extensions. Given we finished giving out contracts to the kids over a month ago and we have hardly signed any one why on earth are Ajax acting like a bunch of amateurs over contract extensions to their top players

Sorry if I keep on about it but Toby and Eriksen wont extend and we will get no more than 10m for either next summer.

A report yesterday states Spurs are paying instalments of 2.7m euros per year for 3 years so that suggests we did in fact sell him for 9m euros.

We may have a new board but sadly they have little clue on transfers and contracts.

[SPL]

Newcastle offer 8m euros plus add ons for Anita who has said he wants away . So looks like we have no choice but to sell ,no point keeping someone who does not want to be here. When he is stuck on newcastle's bench or playing left back at least he can count his money ,after Raiola's cut .

[Orange14]

Anita will be as successful at Newcastle as Buoy will be at Juventus.

[orange goblin]

If it's true that Janssen reached a personal agreement with Vitesse and that Newcastle bid 8 mln for Anita (and he does not want to stay that much, to say the very least) I see both of them going in a few days.
Then we will need at least one midfielder! Maybe Bonevacia should have a try as backup for Enoh. Otherwise we have to go on the market.
And is it useful to have Sulejmani and van der Wiel stay as bench-warmers if no-one wants them?
Second point: I don't see us buying a backup striker, although I would like that move. With Kolbeinn, De Jong, Klaassen and Fischer the board won't spend any money on this, I am afraid.
And finally: when we will buy the defender we need?
The only right thing we did up to now is signing Assaidi (it's almost official) and - who knows - Sana. We totally changed our wingers with the Ozbiliz and maybe also Ebecilio (inbolbed in Assaidi deal?) moves.
Nothing against in building a young, talented team. But here we are loosing all men of experience.
What a mess. Big challenge this year.

[Ayman]

I want the following out:- Janssen, Van der Wiel, Daley Blind and Ebicilio

As for Anita, well im keeping my fingers crossed that he stays for one last season, Ajax wont budge on their asking price, and wont be fooled by Newcastle's 'add ons. Having said that, Ive seen Ruben Ligeon play in that position and does well, also Sporkslede is another promising midfielder for the holding position.

[Philippe]

According to Het Parool, Ajax would be facing serious financial problems :
http://www.parool.nl/parool/nl/13/AJAX/ ... heim.dhtml

[rjf1]

So, if I have the gist of the article correct, the shining example of a management that screwed over the football team in the name of 'financial responsibility', turn out to be the ones that, in fact, irresponsibly screwed the club over financially. Was the famous 'Coronel Report' nothing more than an excuse for starving the 'football' out of the Ajax Football Club so that they could use the money to carry out their financial shenanigans? One has to wonder...

[Cedric]

According to Het Parool, Ajax would be facing serious financial problems :
http://www.parool.nl/parool/nl/13/AJAX/ ... heim.dhtml

"Dat schrijft De Telegraaf". Might explain a lot.

[rjf1]

According to Het Parool, Ajax would be facing serious financial problems :
http://www.parool.nl/parool/nl/13/AJAX/ ... heim.dhtml

"Dat schrijft De Telegraaf". Might explain a lot.

[Orange14]

Some of you are not going to like what I'm going to say here but so be it. I did read part of what was reported in de Telegraaf this morning but am not going to pay to read the full article. I've been looking at the Ajax financials every year to see what progress the club is making here and believe it is encouraging in terms of keeping things fiscally prudent (as opposed to our friends in Eindhoven who needed a bail out last summer). We may not have liked van den Boog and Coronel (certainly Cruijff did not) but they did turn things around from the failures of Jaake. To be blunt the club has two choices: keep to the roots of the academy based team and develop players in house (and I include here developing foreign based players in the way we have with Eriksen, Vertonghen, etc) according to the Ajax philosophy or go out and bring players in via the transfer market. I have always supported the former approach because it's true to the club and more cost effective in the long run.

The key issue here as with all Dutch clubs is transfer spending. This is what got Ajax into a bit of trouble as they brought in players who were overpaid and simply not good enough. If you wipe some of this off the books, the club would have been in much better shape but that's water under the bridge. We all know that every Dutch club has to sell players and that the glory days of the pre-Bosman era are never going to be repeated (though there are some who hold out in this regard).

I think a lot of this story is probably some frustration on FdB's part about not bringing some new transfers in to help bolster the squad. I'm ambivalent on that matter because I think it sends a wrong sign to the young academy players that they are not valued. Say we go after Nuytinck or Viergever, what does Denswill thing about this (or the Denswills in waiting)? I think the club should be true to their roots and promote the young players when they are ready and only bring in one or two new players to fill some slots (I know it's beating a dead horse but I put the Janssen transger in the garbage category here, he really didn't fill a need for the club). I think if you look at the Dutch league, there are probably more Ajax academy players on rosters than any other youth development program (and of course some of these players were let go too early such as Narsingh).

We qualified for CL money two years in a row now but realize that this is money that can disappear in a flash if the club does not qualify with regularity and to base a financial model on this is fraught with danger. Football has changed in the last decade with the amount of money coming in from oil countries and Russia. English teams get an obscene amount of money from television revenues. Even the German league which is fiscally prudent loses players to England. French teams, other than PSG, all have to sell players. La Liga outside of Barca and Madrid is in trouble (look at what's happening at Malaga and Valencia). Italy is now facing yet another match fixing scandal and Milan have held a fire sale to meet the Platini rules.

It's has and will continue to be difficult to navigate what is going on here but I'm optimistic that there is a management team in place to do this. We're not going to win a CL title but we will continue to develop good footballers and play attractively. As for Anita, I think he has made the wrong choice but only time will tell.

[Philippe]

To be blunt the club has two choices: keep to the roots of the academy based team and develop players in house (and I include here developing foreign based players in the way we have with Eriksen, Vertonghen, etc) according to the Ajax philosophy or go out and bring players in via the transfer market.

The issue would rather be not to choose but find a way to combine both. Something like our own Egg of Columbus.


Ajax being a listed company, I actually have doubts about the hidden financial disaster story, but we'll find out soon.

Ajax keeps financial problems secret
Monday 13 August 2012

Amsterdam football club Ajax has enormous financial problems which have been kept secret, the Telegraaf reports on Monday without naming its sources.
According to the paper, former chairman Uri Coronel and former general director Rick van den Boog left behind a financial 'graveyard' when they left the club in early 2011 following a row with Johan Cruijff.
The new supervisory board is shocked at the extent of the financial problems which include enormous and, according to some sources, irresponsible risks. However, financial director Jeroen Slop is preventing them from making the situation public until Ajax has found a replacement for Van den Boog, says the paper.
Transfers
Ajax is currently in such dire financial straits it has been selling valuable players. Among them are Mounir El Hamdaoui, Rodney Sneijder, Theo Janssen and Vurnon Anita.
It is also looking to sell Gregory van der Wiel and Miralem Sulejmani and to find a new central defender and a wing player before the transfer deadline of August 31, says the Telegraaf.

[kezme44]

wow, not sure what to believe. the article does seem to support some of our recent spending and transfer decisions. anybody know how much we are in the hole?

[rjf1]

I agree with Phillippe -- you have to find a middle ground. Depending only on youth players guarantees you a 4th place finish and an increasingly disgruntled fan base as player after player moves on as soon as they get good enough to pay back the investment in their development.

Actually, this was the philosophy of the previous board -- there was an entire article about it a year or so back that I posted about. Their philosophy was to treat Ajax like a shoe making factory: develop the players in the academy; showcase them for a year or two in the first team; then sell them for a profit. They were completely unashamed to say so. Sorry -- I don't accept that Ajax Football Club is a shoe factory, and I don't think most fans who are proud of what Ajax stands for do either.

Besides, you need look no further than Arsenal to see that you are destined to be perennial 'also rans' with a team made up of only youngsters. You need to mix in at least some seasoned veterans who are experienced enough, steady enough, and tough enough to stand up to the bullying and steady things down when the pressure gets intense.

[SPL]

Not sure what to say about our finanaces but we must have wasted millions from about 2005 to 2010 .24m on Sulejmani so far and with no one likely to buy him in the next 3weeks thats another 2m in wages and a free transfer next year thus one so called risk has cost us 26m with no return. In wages and transfers El Ham cost us 12m , Cvitanich about 10m,Aissati 8or9m so buying just these 4 players has resulted in a loss of over 50 m euros between 2008 and now.

Clearly no one is going to be offered more than 1m euros pa.in future so already we are not getting players like Narsingh and now Aissadi ,he says we are not offering enough to warrant him leaving Heerenveen. If we cannot get players like this I would prefer to play our own youth rather than trying to get Barca B players on loan .

This season could see us finish outside the top 2 so next year no CL and also with our tough wages policy I do not expect Alderweireld or Eriksen to extend so Toby will go for say 8m max and Eriksen maybe 10m to 15m max if we are lucky . Given all transfers are paid in installments our income is going to fall and apart from the 2 players I have just mentioned there is nobody left who is likely to fetch more than 5m unless Fischer stays and breaks through.

Even last summer we were splashing the cash with 3m+ for Janssen, 2m+ for Serero and a staggering 4m on Cillessen and 5m on Sigthorsson.Thats most of Suarez's transfer fee gone. Still cannot think of any big club in England that has paid 4m for a spare goalie to sit on the bench and today I read he is not happy with this role.

Tough times ahead I think.

[Orange14]

To be blunt the club has two choices: keep to the roots of the academy based team and develop players in house (and I include here developing foreign based players in the way we have with Eriksen, Vertonghen, etc) according to the Ajax philosophy or go out and bring players in via the transfer market.

The issue would rather be not to choose but find a way to combine both. Something like our own Egg of Columbus.


Ajax being a listed company, I actually have doubts about the hidden financial disaster story, but we'll find out soon.
[/i]

The story is largely BS because there is no hidden financial history. In addition, the KNVB gets financial reports and can take action against teams that are in difficulty (Feyenoord I think just got off the bad list last year). Anyone can get the Ajax financials and do their own analysis. The Swiss Ramble did this a couple of years ago.

[SPL]

Perhaps we should be discussing finances on another thread so to go back to Anita he is talking to Newcastle manager Pardew as to where he will be played as Tiote is their main DM plus they have another experienced player and have signed another DM of promise from Coventy.Suggestions that Anita could be used mainly as a full back which is not his main position . If this is so he may decide to say no to Newcastle although Raiola will hopefully try and get him to move somewhere else.

[SPL]

well we now have to unload about 5 players Koppers Ebecilio V d Wiel Janssen and Sulejmani. We are wanting another winger but surely that depends on Sulejmani going and I do not see that happening this month as he is only just getting fit from 5 months injury and I doubt anyone will want to pay 2m euros which is his current salary with us to 2013

[SPL]

Well with Janssen about to leave I am sure he wont be the only one next week.VVV and Heerenveen want to rent Ebecilio and Zwolle are still looking to rent Bonevacia.These 2 should go along with Koppers.

Big question next week will anyone want the 2nd best right back at Ajax!! Well Man U have bought Buttner who is not even an Int and I assumed V Aanholt was Vitesse's first choice LB, so surely Raiola can do us a favour and find some club for Greg to go to. Apart from not being as good a defender as V Rhijn Greg needs a new challenge.

With Sulejmani now fit to be in the squad I seem to remember the Turkish and Russian deadline is a week later so maybe some club from either of those countries may still take him.

[Dave the mac]

Looks like Van der Wiel will play today with Van Rhijn on the bench. Ajax is turning up the heat on Greg though and de Boer has come out and said this will change come the end of the transfer season - Sept 1. After that Van Rhijn plays and Gregory is on the bench.

This is to reinforce, once again, to Van der Wiel that he needs to find a new home. Of all the players Ajax has seen leave this summer he was the one I was most anticipating!

[afcajax73]

Apparently Southampton have made an
Offer for boilesen

[rjf1]

I hope he doesn't even think about it -- would be totally stupid of him.

[SPL]

where does this come from? Boilesen has only a couple of months ago signed a new long term contract and has been injured for the best part of a year and is still a few weeks off playing again.

NB contract extension only last month

[SPL]

evidently Vitesse agreed to pay 600000 euros on friday for Janssen but over the weekend only wanted to pay 500000 and Ajax have said no deal. Rumour that PSG want Greg.

[SPL]

panic over the Boilsen story is not in a proper paper just the Sun with the Mirror repeating the story ie Saints manager confident of signing him this week for £5m beating interest from Inter and Arsenal. If these teams want to pay £5m for someone who has been injured for nearly a year and has made only a handful of 1st team appearances how much would they pay if and when he has played a whole year for us.

I think if Saints did approach Ajax the reply would be 2 words . Boilesen is a level headed lad by all accounts and I think his response to this nonsense story is to laugh .