New Players for Ajax

[afcajax73]

Kids never learn! I think its their parents who go for big money, I would understand if it was a family from the Antilles, or from Africa. But this Norwegian kid came from a well off family. What is their excuse?

I'm not sure its always down to money. Clubs like Real Madrid offer really good opportunities for young kids. a good school education and decent place to live, high level of coaching not to mention the prospect of one day playing for one of the best clubs around

[SPL]

We are rumoured to be after 2 x 19 year old Columbians striker Mateo Casierra and CD Davinson Sanchez.Barcelona want Sanchez for their B team but he does not fancy that,Ajax would put him in their first team squad.

[SPL]

Looks like Huntelaar can leave Schalke 04 .Hopefully he will return to us as Milik has basically said he will go.

[afcajax73]

Looks like Huntelaar can leave Schalke 04 .Hopefully he will return to us as Milik has basically said he will go.

I really do hope so.

[Cruijff]

Looks like Huntelaar can leave Schalke 04.

Yeah and even on a free transfer, probably.

Looks like Huntelaar can leave Schalke 04 .Hopefully he will return to us as Milik has basically said he will go.

I really do hope so.

I strongly hope not. Vincent Janssen is so much better than Klaas Jan.

[Orange14]

Huntelaar has maybe one year left to play at a reasonable level, Janssen is probably the starting striker for the Dutch NT for several years to come. As with Cruijff, I to believe he is better but it's not clear that Janssen wants to stay in the Dutch league. We'll see how this unfolds.

[Ayman]

Vincent Janssen gives the impression he wants to play in either Spain, Italy or England. There is no way he wants to stay in eredivisie, Ajax made up their mind with sticking to Huntelaar, Luuk de Jong is staying at PSV and Feyenoord are eyeing up Bas Dost.

[Cruijff]

Vincent Janssen gives the impression he wants to play in either Spain, Italy or England. There is no way he wants to stay in eredivisie,

Hmm it's mostly AZ shouting out loud that the Eredivisie teams are now too late for Vincent Janssen, probably to get the transfer sum higher.

Janssen has only had 6 succesful months in the Eredivisie, it doesn't look wise to directly continue in a bigger league.

[Ayman]

Vincent Janssen gives the impression he wants to play in either Spain, Italy or England. There is no way he wants to stay in eredivisie,

Hmm it's mostly AZ shouting out loud that the Eredivisie teams are now too late for Vincent Janssen, probably to get the transfer sum higher.

Janssen has only had 6 succesful months in the Eredivisie, it doesn't look wise to directly continue in a bigger league.

You are thinking logically. Logic is lacking when players excel in the Eredivisie, coupled with the media hype, they think ahead of themselves, and usually go to a big league, seldomly do well, and end up on continuous loan spells, Marc van Ginkel is a classic example of this, other examples include, de Vries, Janmaat, Anita, Depay etc etc. This may not apply to Vincent Janssen, but if he does excel abroad, he will most certainly be the exception to the rule.

[Cruijff]

Marc van Ginkel is a classic example of this, other examples include, de Vries, Janmaat, Anita, Depay etc etc. This may not apply to Vincent Janssen, but if he does excel abroad, he will most certainly be the exception to the rule.

If Vincent Janssen will excel abroad, Ajax can not catch him anymore.
That's why we should get this guy before he moves to a bigger league. He will probably cost somewhere between 8,5 and 10,5 million euros. So what? As one of the few clubs in Europe without debts, we've got this money.

Marco van Ginkel was a different story, Ajax wanted to pay 9 million euros to Vitesse for him. Van Ginkel also prefered Ajax, as playing in Amsterdam is the quickest way to get in the national team. Then 'the Russian Vitesse-Chelsea link' decided he had to make a transfer to Chelsea for only 5 million euros.

Janssen has only had 6 succesful months in the Eredivisie, it doesn't look wise to directly continue in a bigger league.

You are thinking logically. Logic is lacking when players excel in the Eredivisie, coupled with the media hype, they think ahead of themselves, and usually go to a big league, seldomly do well, and end up on continuous loan spells, Marc van Ginkel is a classic example of this, other examples include, de Vries, Janmaat, Anita, Depay etc etc.

In my opinion Luuk de Jong is the best example of scoring many goals in the Eredivisie, not performing just one thing in a German or British League.
Bas Dost showed he's good enough for a higher level, I would also prefer Dost over Huntelaar and Dost had some periods of scoring many goals for Wolfsburg. Nevertheless, most of his time in Germany has been very frustrating with not playing many matches.

Also Siem de Jong and Maarten Stekelenburg can not be happy about what happened to their careers after leaving The Netherlands.

Vincent Janssen is a cool goal scorer and a hard worker, these are two good assets but as a football player he has some more qualities that the current Ajax Amsterdam team could use really good.

[Ayman]

Marc van Ginkel is a classic example of this, other examples include, de Vries, Janmaat, Anita, Depay etc etc. This may not apply to Vincent Janssen, but if he does excel abroad, he will most certainly be the exception to the rule.

If Vincent Janssen will excel abroad, Ajax can not catch him anymore.
That's why we should get this guy before he moves to a bigger league. He will probably cost somewhere between 8,5 and 10,5 million euros. So what? As one of the few clubs in Europe without debts, we've got this money.

Marco van Ginkel was a different story, Ajax wanted to pay 9 million euros to Vitesse for him. Van Ginkel also prefered Ajax, as playing in Amsterdam is the quickest way to get in the national team. Then 'the Russian Vitesse-Chelsea link' decided he had to make a transfer to Chelsea for only 5 million euros.

Janssen has only had 6 succesful months in the Eredivisie, it doesn't look wise to directly continue in a bigger league.

You are thinking logically. Logic is lacking when players excel in the Eredivisie, coupled with the media hype, they think ahead of themselves, and usually go to a big league, seldomly do well, and end up on continuous loan spells, Marc van Ginkel is a classic example of this, other examples include, de Vries, Janmaat, Anita, Depay etc etc.

In my opinion Luuk de Jong is the best example of scoring many goals in the Eredivisie, not performing just one thing in a German or British League.
Bas Dost showed he's good enough for a higher level, I would also prefer Dost over Huntelaar and Dost had some periods of scoring many goals for Wolfsburg. Nevertheless, most of his time in Germany has been very frustrating with not playing many matches.

Also Siem de Jong and Maarten Stekelenburg can not be happy about what happened to their careers after leaving The Netherlands.

Vincent Janssen is a cool goal scorer and a hard worker, these are two good assets but as a football player he has some more qualities that the current Ajax Amsterdam team could use really good.

Vincent Janssen is a quality player, no doubt, however, he does lack experience in European football. That is something Huntelaar possesses. I am satisfied that Ajax will land The Hunter, as opposed to the former, for this very reason, and Klaas has not exactly lost his touch. Interesting, you mentioned Siem de Jong and Steleklenburg. Siem de Jong is wasted in my opinion, he will go on loan to a mediocre team in Germany then at some point return to Holland with another mediocre team. Stekelenburg on the other hand, can really be useful, assuming that Cillesse leaves Ajax.

[SPL]

Janssen may indeed be a better bet than KJH long term.I just read that he wants abroad and will we pay 10m euros for someone with 1 season in the eredivisie?(ok we did with some guy called Suarez but we spent money in those days).

He probably needs 2 years with us or PSV to really prove himself before moving abroad.

A year, maybe 2 with KJH would be fine and he will still score plenty of goals in the Dutch league but why do we need to buy a 2nd striker(Columbian kid mentioned for this role) when El Azzouzi would have fitted that role.

I would ideally want Milik for another year with El Azzouzi as no 2. However Milik wants out and we have already loaned out El A to Sparta.

Bas Dost is on F words radar according to the press.

If Everton buy Cillessen as some rumours suggest I would get Steks back.

[Orange14]

Best example of Eredivisie player who scored a lot of goals and never did much anywhere else: Alfonso Alves. 34 goals at Heerenveen and then moved to Middlesborough for maybe €20M and only scored 10 goals in 41 matches as Boro were relegated. Cautionary tale about strikers in the Dutch league!

[Cruijff]

Best example of Eredivisie player who scored a lot of goals and never did much anywhere else: Alfonso Alves. 34 goals at Heerenveen and then moved to Middlesborough for maybe €20M and only scored 10 goals in 41 matches as Boro were relegated. Cautionary tale about strikers in the Dutch league!

Haha that's also a name for the history books.

Well, at least he scored 10 goals for Middlesbrough. In international leagues Luuk de Jong scored zero. In Champions League and Europa League nevertheless, De Jong scored for multiple teams.

Alves signed a contract with AZ Alkmaar directly after his season in 2007 with the 34 goals. Then after signing in Alkmaar he did sign another contract resulting in him getting in court and AZ getting really pissed off at him breaking the contract.

His career would have gone another route if he had made the step from Heerenveen to AZ, at that time coached by Louis van Gaal and on their way to an Eredivisie League Title.

[Cruijff]

Interesting, you mentioned Siem de Jong and Steleklenburg. Siem de Jong is wasted in my opinion, he will go on loan to a mediocre team in Germany then at some point return to Holland with another mediocre team. Stekelenburg on the other hand, can really be useful, assuming that Cillesse leaves Ajax.

Stekelenburg can not be happy with what happened to his career in just a couple years.

In 2010 he was on top of the world. Ok, as an Ajax goalie he earned a couple millions less than the salaries in Italy and England, but every football watcher in the world knew him. With some great saves he came with Holland in the World Cup Final in South Africa, even though the opponent had another class goalie with Casillas I expected Stekelenburg to become the hero with saving one or two crucial penalties if the score would have been 0-0 after 120 minutes.

With Van der Vaart not marking Iniesta and Howard Webb making a mistake on which team was in possession it was a very narrow loss and surprisingly no transfer for Stekelenburg in the summer of 2010. He stayed at Ajax, was still in a very good shape, got injured and Vermeer came in and really saved our asses during some games towards the title of 2011.

Stekelenburg with a broken thumb made a transfer to Roma, without having played one succesful title match for Ajax. When we won the other titles with him in the squad, Bogdan Lobont was still the first goalie.

Abroad Stekelenburg's career got downwards really fast. Now he has quite some millions on his bank account, but in global football he became 'some sort of loser'.

[SPL]

Steks played well for Southampton in the first half of this season but Forster then came back as was their No1. His career has sadly gone downhill since leaving us.Same with Siem de Jong, 2 years struggling with injury in a poorly run club like Newcastle.

[Cruijff]

Steks played well for Southampton in the first half of this season but Forster then came back as was their No1. His career has sadly gone downhill since leaving us.

Well, in my opinion Stekelenburg is more talented / has better keeper skills than both Jasper Cillessen and Jeroen Zoet.
But his career went downhill big time. In fact he's lucky that Ronald Koeman picked him up at Fulham where it went even worse and where he was on the bench even more matches than at Southampton.

Not sure if I want him back at Ajax. Cillessen should stay at least until 2017 and then hopefully Onana, that guy from Cameroon who did make the decision to leave FC Barcelona for Ajax is ready for it. Also Stan van Bladeren and Indy Groothuizen are pretty young but very talented goalkeepers.

[Orange14]

I don't think bringing back former Ajax or other Dutch players after their careers wound down really works out at all. Look at what happened with Jaap Stam, Edgar Davids, and most recently Heitinga. I got a big laugh when I read a recent story where van der Vaart said Ajax didn't use Heitinga properly this past season. What kind of stuff is Raffie drinking? I hope the club doesn't get all dreamy and try to bring him back (or Snjeider for that matter as well). Also remember when Feyenoord was splashing big money on Makaay, van Bronckhorst and Dahl Tommasson? None of them worked out and Feyenoord almost went bankrupt in the process.

As Cruijff notes, there are a number of keepers in the system who will do quite well. I think we also have a buy back clause with Mickey van der Hart.

[Cruijff]

As Cruijff notes, there are a number of keepers in the system who will do quite well. I think we also have a buy back clause with Mickey van der Hart.

Don't know it 100% sure if we have a buy back clause for him, it could be.
It's nice that the grandson of former football legend Cor van der Hart also plays professional football but Mickey van der Hart is by far not good enough for Ajax.

In our Youth Academy we also have Joe van der Sar, son of...
http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/joe-van- ... ler/266441

Until now he hasn't looked that good. As mentioned above, other young Dutchies Van Bladeren and Groothuizen are really skillful.

[Ayman]

I don't think bringing back former Ajax or other Dutch players after their careers wound down really works out at all. Look at what happened with Jaap Stam, Edgar Davids, and most recently Heitinga. I got a big laugh when I read a recent story where van der Vaart said Ajax didn't use Heitinga properly this past season. What kind of stuff is Raffie drinking? I hope the club doesn't get all dreamy and try to bring him back (or Snjeider for that matter as well). Also remember when Feyenoord was splashing big money on Makaay, van Bronckhorst and Dahl Tommasson? None of them worked out and Feyenoord almost went bankrupt in the process.

As Cruijff notes, there are a number of keepers in the system who will do quite well. I think we also have a buy back clause with Mickey van der Hart.

It depends on the player doesn't it? Recently Kuyt has managed to extend his contract at Feyenoord. As for van der Vaart, clearly he is passed it, and has no place at Ajax. The same can not be said for the likes of Huntelaar, who is still a clinical finisher. As for the foreseeable future, I don't think it would hurt to see Stekelenburg back at Ajax, or going as far as the likes of Zlatan, Robben, Sneijder, in the January transfer window. Davids and Stam did well when they returned to Holland and play for Ajax, so did Jari Litmanen and of course Frank Rijkaard 20 years ago or so. So it does depend on the actual player.

[Orange14]

It depends on the player doesn't it? Recently Kuyt has managed to extend his contract at Feyenoord. As for van der Vaart, clearly he is passed it, and has no place at Ajax. The same can not be said for the likes of Huntelaar, who is still a clinical finisher. As for the foreseeable future, I don't think it would hurt to see Stekelenburg back at Ajax, or going as far as the likes of Zlatan, Robben, Sneijder, in the January transfer window. Davids and Stam did well when they returned to Holland and play for Ajax, so did Jari Litmanen and of course Frank Rijkaard 20 years ago or so. So it does depend on the actual player.

Kuyt is the rare exception. I think Huntelaar still has a good 1-2 years that he can play at a decent level and would not mind seeing him come into the team. Zlatan is going to sign with ManU. Robben will stay at Bayern as long as he is healthy. I don't want Snjeider as that would disrupt the development of the MFs already on the roster. Do we want him playing instead of Nouri? Not me! Davids had a couple of good matches and then didn't put on his shin pads for a scrimmage and suffered a broken leg. Did Stam even finish out the season? I remember him abruptly retiring. Yes, both Litmanen (who amazingly played at a very nice level until he was about 40 years old; there's a YouTube video of him scoring on a bicycle kick in the Norway league when he was 37 or so and he was also on their NT for a very long time). Rijkaard dropped back into the defense when he came back and did very well.

[Ayman]

It depends on the player doesn't it? Recently Kuyt has managed to extend his contract at Feyenoord. As for van der Vaart, clearly he is passed it, and has no place at Ajax. The same can not be said for the likes of Huntelaar, who is still a clinical finisher. As for the foreseeable future, I don't think it would hurt to see Stekelenburg back at Ajax, or going as far as the likes of Zlatan, Robben, Sneijder, in the January transfer window. Davids and Stam did well when they returned to Holland and play for Ajax, so did Jari Litmanen and of course Frank Rijkaard 20 years ago or so. So it does depend on the actual player.

Kuyt is the rare exception. I think Huntelaar still has a good 1-2 years that he can play at a decent level and would not mind seeing him come into the team. Zlatan is going to sign with ManU. Robben will stay at Bayern as long as he is healthy. I don't want Snjeider as that would disrupt the development of the MFs already on the roster. Do we want him playing instead of Nouri? Not me! Davids had a couple of good matches and then didn't put on his shin pads for a scrimmage and suffered a broken leg. Did Stam even finish out the season? I remember him abruptly retiring. Yes, both Litmanen (who amazingly played at a very nice level until he was about 40 years old; there's a YouTube video of him scoring on a bicycle kick in the Norway league when he was 37 or so and he was also on their NT for a very long time). Rijkaard dropped back into the defense when he came back and did very well.

If Klaassen leaves in summer 2017, then Sneijder would be a good acquisition, even with Nouri and van de Beek in the team. As for Zlatan, he may be off to Man Utd, but I can imagine, fast forward to January 2017, he would be requesting a transfer, due to lack of first team football, and Ajax would be mentioned as one of those destinations. Robben is coming to the point where he is likely to end up playing in Eredivisie, either in January or Summer 2017, Bayern will find a replacement easily, don't forget Robben is injury prone, especially at such a high level of quality football in the Bundesliga. I wonder if Nigel de Jong would ever consider returning, he is only 31.

[Cruijff]

Robben said that when returning to the Eredivisie he wants to play for FC Groningen. Ajax fans don't like Arjen Robben and the Robben family doesn't really like Ajax because of the way Leo Beenhakker talked to his mother when the 16 year old Robben was about to sign a contract in Amsterdam. They directly went to PSV instead because of Beenhakkers arrogant behaviour.

Nigel de Jong will not return, did choose for the adventure in The United States instead.

Do we want him playing instead of Nouri? Not me! Davids had a couple of good matches and then didn't put on his shin pads for a scrimmage and suffered a broken leg. Did Stam even finish out the season? I remember him abruptly retiring. Yes, both Litmanen (who amazingly played at a very nice level until he was about 40 years old; there's a YouTube video of him scoring on a bicycle kick in the Norway league when he was 37 or so and he was also on their NT for a very long time). Rijkaard dropped back into the defense when he came back and did very well.

Jari Litmanen did really well after his comeback. Many people only remember him having a lot of injuries, in my memory I've printed some really good matches he played between 2002 and 2004.

Stam came in the summer of 2006, played the whole season, was also on the pitch against Willem II in Tilburg on 29 April 2007 during that terrible match where we gave away the league title to PSV who did beat us on goal average with only one goal difference (they had a 5-1 home win against Vitesse).
Then during in the season 2007/2008 he suddenly retired, he decided to quit playing football early in the season.

Davids did indeed break his leg after not waring shin pads against Go Ahead Eagles. Terribly unprofessional, Ajax should have fined him for at least 6 month salaries but they didn't.

Now 23 seasons later, we are still talking about Frank Rijkaards comeback in 1993 as the one that was without a doubt very succesful. A shame he already retired in 1995 at, in my opinion, still a young age. One year extra and we would have also won the Champions League in 1996 (as only club team ever 2 times on a row since they call the commercial thing Champions League) instead of dopers Juventus who took the cup after penalties with Sonny Silooy and Edgar Davids missing for our squad.

[Ayman]

Robben hates Ajax? Robben says he would return to Groningen if he returned to the Netherlands? Andre Ooijer (Another one) also hated Ajax with a passion, for a long time, things change in football. Stam wouldn't have even dreamed about going to Ajax few years before he actually returned. Davids was so stubborn 6 months before signing for Ajax, vowing to stay at Tottenham and never to return to Ajax. Things are always unpredictable in football, especially players returning to their old club. One player I would love to see return, in a year, maybe two, Suarez!

[Cruijff]

Robben hates Ajax? Robben says he would return to Groningen if he returned to the Netherlands? Andre Ooijer (Another one) also hated Ajax with a passion, for a long time, things change in football.

Haha yeah things can change fast in football. Andre Ooijer is an Amsterdammer and his football career started after Johan Cruyff saw him at a Street Football Tournament for young kids and told him he saw future in the kid as a defender.

Quickly after that Ooijer came in the Ajax Youth Academy, did not make it to the first squad and as a PSV player he acted like 'an Ajax hater'.

When Martin Jol came up with the idea to contract Ooijer at Ajax after the World Cup 2010 in South Africa (Ooijer played against Brazil in the quarter final) Suárez response was: 'Andre Ooijer!! I f*cking hate that guy but prefer to have him in my team instead of at the opponents side'.

After two years and two titles with Ajax Ooijer quickly returned to PSV Eindhoven for a job in the youth academy. His father in law is a PSV icon.

And yeah, to answer your question. Robben said (a couple of years ago) that when returning to the Eredivisie he would like to return to Groningen.

Stam wouldn't have even dreamed about going to Ajax few years before he actually returned.

Stam claimed that he has always been an Ajax fan. Also during his time as player at Willem II and at PSV he was in many occasions trying to get tickets for Ajax games for some of his friends as most of his friends did also support Ajax.

Davids was so stubborn 6 months before signing for Ajax, vowing to stay at Tottenham and never to return to Ajax. Things are always unpredictable in football, especially players returning to their old club.

It was a small surprise that Davids suddenly came back to Ajax in 2006. It all happened very quick.
Later I saw an old interview with Edgar Davids, made in the season 1993/1994. There Davids said he was dreaming about winning the Champions League, followed by a transfer to Italy, the league he preferred at that time.

Then, around the age of 30 he would like to return to Ajax. Surprisingly accurate career path he predicted.

One player I would love to see return, in a year, maybe two, Suarez!

It would be great if he returns, I agree.
Luis Suárez said it several times by the way, that he is grateful to Ajax and want to play for the team again in the future: 'Even when the trainer does not want me, I will come anyway.'