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Bericht door dws » za feb 18, 2006 2:58 pm

jamcocteau schreef:
Kowalczyk schreef:Interesting to see that Celtic are the only club from a 'small' country, probably because they have this insanely enormous Irish following all over the world. They have like 50 fanclubs in the United States alone. So their profit from merchandise is (and always will be) much bigger than Ajax's. But in almost every other respect Ajax should normally be able to compete financially with clubs from Scotland, I would say.

K.
Its fuuny but everybody thinks that Irish people follow Celtic, you actually find that there are more Liverpool and Man Utd supporters there. Both Celtic and Rangers have more officially registered supporters clubs world wide than anybody else. Think this is just because of the number of Scots who migrate, shit we are everywhere.

Ko, think that Celtic have over 50,000 season ticket holders and the average cost is about the 750 euro mark, that alone gives them a head start over Ajax and any other Dutch club. Plus as you say merchandising is far more successfull than Ajax. As we have talked about previously Ajax are criminally undermarketed on a world wide basis.

Jamcocteau has pretty much explained why Celtic take in more money than Ajax. It should also be noted that Celtic Park has a capacity that is 25% greater than the Arena.

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Bericht door DanK » vr feb 24, 2006 11:52 pm

van the man has named the dutch squad for next week's friendly with Ecuador in Amsterdam.
http://home.skysports.com/list.asp?hlid ... Dutch+call
Edwin van der Sar (Manchester United), Henk Timmer (AZ Alkmaar); Urby Emanuelson (Ajax), Tim de Cler (AZ Alkmaar), Kew Jaliens (AZ Alkmaar), Joris Mathijsen (AZ Alkmaar), Barry Opdam (AZ Alkmaar), Giovanni van Bronckhorst (Barcelona), Ron Vlaar (Feyenoord), Khalid Boulahrouz (Hamburg); Hedwiges Maduro (Ajax), Denny Landzaat (AZ Alkmaar), Mark van Bommel (Barcelona), Nicky Hofs (Feyenoord), George Boateng (Middlesbrough), Phillip Cocu (PSV Eindhoven); Arjen Robben (Chelsea), Romeo Castelen (Feyenoord), Dirk Kuyt (Feyenoord), Ruud van Nistelrooy (Manchester United), Jan Vennegoor of Hesselink (PSV Eindhoven), Martijn Meerdink (AZ Alkmaar)

Rafael van der Vaart is not fully fit following an ankle problem, while Wesley Sneijder misses out with a hamstring strain and there is no place for either Bayern Munich's Roy Makaay or rising Ajax star Klaas Jan Huntelaar.

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Bericht door FlaFlu » vr feb 24, 2006 11:56 pm

Van Nistelrooij is deciding which players are selected for the Dutch national side these days? :shock:


;)

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Bericht door DanK » za feb 25, 2006 12:11 am

Thomas schreef:Van Nistelrooij is deciding which players are selected for the Dutch national side these days? :shock:


;)
LOL...there will only ever be one 'van the man' and he was playing well before mr van nistelrooij :xyxthumbs:

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Maradona: Messi is the new me

Bericht door DanK » za feb 25, 2006 3:53 am

Maradona: Messi is the new me
http://wwiii.sbs.com.au/home/index.php3?id=68319

I didn't realise that Messi was a little cheating shit, but there you go, Maradonna says so himself.

Messi is extremely talented though.
:yes:

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Bericht door FlaFlu » za feb 25, 2006 3:57 am

And Diego Maradona wasn't? :hypocrite:

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Bericht door DanK » za feb 25, 2006 10:38 am

Thomas schreef:And Diego Maradona wasn't? :hypocrite:
My point exactly. :D

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Bericht door Philippe » di feb 28, 2006 6:26 pm

Galactic failure. Let's hope Chelsea will follow soon.

Sid Lowe
Tuesday February 28, 2006
The Guardian


The emperor with the new clothes finally realised his nakedness last night. Florentino Pérez, the architect of the galáctico, football's greatest romantic or perhaps its greatest cynic, has departed Real Madrid after almost six years of triumphalism. He has at last recognised that, amid the successes, the club's failings were his too; that the wondrous football team he wore so proudly simply did not exist.
Under Pérez, Real Madrid loudly proclaimed themselves the greatest club in the world; over the last three years, the reality made a mockery of such hubris. The man crawlingly referred to as "a superior being" by vice-president Emilio Butragueño has finally turned the blame on himself, having employed four directors of football and seven coaches.
Pérez departs with Real Madrid 10 points adrift in the league, out of the Copa del Rey and on a knife-edge in the Champions League. Should Madrid finish the year empty-handed, it would be their third successive season without a major trophy - the first time they would have endured such a drought since 1950-53.
In the last four years under Pérez, they have steadily slipped back in the Champions League, too: winners in 2001-02, semi-finalists the year after, then quarters, then last 16, Madrid's worst performance since the competition was re-formed in 1995. This year they are on the verge of going out at the same stage. And all that despite the galácticos, despite building the most ludicrously talented team in history - certainly the most famous team in history.

But a president who thinks he knows best is asking for trouble, here more than anywhere. Anyone else can go a season or two trophy-free - Barça did it for six long years - but not Madrid. Not when their supposed superiority is thrust so wilfully down throats.

It was no coincidence that the rest of Spain so gleefully revelled in Madrid's defeat in the 2002 Cup final - a final held at the Bernabéu on their 100th birthday. Madrid's celebrations that year saw them visit the Pope, the King and the United Nations. By the end of this year, they will have featured in four feature films and gone on three world tours. For a while, they seemed worth it: when a Fifa World XI faced Madrid to celebrate their centenary, the home side had the better team. But the successes, aided by a media that was often willing to serve and on occasion scared not to, were exaggerated.

Ronaldo has never won the European Cup, David Beckham has not won anything since arriving in 2003. The England captain cannot be blamed, but that was the beginning of the end. Sure, Madrid have increased income enormously, but how many fans gather to celebrate a great bank balance? And, besides, huge income has come at the cost of huge outlay - £285m on transfers alone, plus £4m a season per galáctico, after tax.

Madrid failed not despite the galácticos, but because of them. Pérez created an unmanageable monster, a satiated, divided squad of ageing players, a club where marketing ranks ahead of meritocracy. Where tours of the Far East take precedence over pre-season training, where those who play know they will play come what may and those that do not, know they will not; where the non-galácticos are consciously undervalued.

A huge poster on the side of the Bernabéu used to show the galácticos in various action poses. "It's as if they're the only bloody people at the club," one first-teamer remarked sadly. Coaches, of whom there had been six in less than three years, were stripped of all authority. When Mariano García Remón left Ronaldo on the bench, Pérez asked him: "Who do you think you are to leave Ronaldo out?" García Rémon replied: "The coach." Within days, he was the ex-coach. Too many players simply do not care and those that do care grow more and more frustrated. "This club has lost its soul," one first-teamer privately insisted after Madrid were defeated by Barcelona in November. Now it has lost its emperor. The galactic era is over. Maybe now Real Madrid can become a football team once more.
Appie, stay strong !

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Bericht door SPL » di feb 28, 2006 6:57 pm

Watched them last week against Arsenal. Arsenal did not really have to play that well to beat a piss poor team who did not turn up.

One day they will have to sign some defenders as their sole defence at present is a goalkeeper.

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Bericht door aveslacker » di feb 28, 2006 7:59 pm

As great a player as Henry is, he should not be able to outrun four defenders in a champions' league match. Great goal though.

At least Perez finally saw the stupidity of his plan.
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Re: Maradona: Messi is the new me

Bericht door AsgAarD_xxx » wo mar 01, 2006 11:58 am

DanK schreef:Maradona: Messi is the new me
Does it mean that Messi bought narcotics last time ;)?

It is a little bit boring to hear such things about every player who is young and talented. Messi has a chance to be great player, but I am not sure if we can compare him with one of the greatest player ever.

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Bericht door The Purple Cow » wo mar 01, 2006 1:50 pm

jamcocteau schreef:
Kowalczyk schreef:Interesting to see that Celtic are the only club from a 'small' country, probably because they have this insanely enormous Irish following all over the world. They have like 50 fanclubs in the United States alone. So their profit from merchandise is (and always will be) much bigger than Ajax's. But in almost every other respect Ajax should normally be able to compete financially with clubs from Scotland, I would say.

K.
Its fuuny but everybody thinks that Irish people follow Celtic, you actually find that there are more Liverpool and Man Utd supporters there. Both Celtic and Rangers have more officially registered supporters clubs world wide than anybody else. Think this is just because of the number of Scots who migrate, shit we are everywhere.

Ko, think that Celtic have over 50,000 season ticket holders and the average cost is about the 750 euro mark, that alone gives them a head start over Ajax and any other Dutch club. Plus as you say merchandising is far more successfull than Ajax. As we have talked about previously Ajax are criminally undermarketed on a world wide basis.
I know I'm supposed to be an ex-poster on this site, but I saw this post and thought I should add some points of information. So bear with me one last time.

1. Firstly whilst it might be true that Celtic and Rangers have more fan-clubs than any other British clubs, they certainly do not have more fans. Manchester United's fan club has 14,000,000 members in South-East Asia alone. Nobody else comes close to that with the exception of the L.A. Dodgers. Real Madrid does more cash in marketing terms through their policy of signing 'Galacticos' and selling their shirts. Whether that technique will survive the up-coming management shake-up remains to be see. United's (ding!) strategy seems to me to be a more sustainable model.

2. I meet up with Ajax's director of marketing on a regular basis, and he tells me that in a recent quant consumer survey in China, Ajax had an astonishing 97% market recognition. That's a gob-smacking figure that any organization would be proud of. So there is a real market for Ajax merchandise world-wide. Up till recently Ajax's marketing department was hamstrung by a lack of self-confidence in Ajax as a brand, at the boardroom level. However Ajax's new C.E.O. is a former Unilever marketeer, who by all accounts appreciates the opportunity that Ajax have, and will (hopefully) start to make the investments that need to be made, to get the global marketing on the right track.

O.K. That's it. Thank you and good night.

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Bericht door Kowalczyk » wo mar 01, 2006 1:56 pm

The Purple Cow schreef:I know I'm supposed to be an ex-poster on this site...
Exsqueeze me...?
2. I meet up with Ajax's director of marketing on a regular basis, and he tells me that in a recent quant consumer survey in China, Ajax had an astonishing 97% market recognition. That's a gob-smacking figure that any organization would be proud of. So there is a real market for Ajax merchandise world-wide. Up till recently Ajax's marketing department was hamstrung by a lack of self-confidence in Ajax as a brand, at the boardroom level. However Ajax's new C.E.O. is a former Unilever marketeer, who by all accounts appreciates the opportunity that Ajax have, and will (hopefully) start to make the investments that need to be made, to get the global marketing on the right track.
That is exactly what I was hoping for when Maarten Fontein entered the building. Truly fantastic news. Finally.

K.
Still alive...

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Bericht door aveslacker » wo mar 01, 2006 2:32 pm

Purple Cow-

Why are you supposed to be an "ex-poster?"

You said that the Dodgers are the only team to compete with United in terms of name recognition/fans. Isn't that supposed to be the Yankees? I think the Dodgers trail the Yanks and Red Sox, but I could be wrong.

In any event, it is about time that Ajax start marketing itself. It's also about damn time that they start playing with some Ajax-style attacking flair, too.

Baby steps.
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Bericht door Blind3 » wo mar 01, 2006 4:08 pm

The Yankees had entered into some kind of marketing partnership with ManUre .I remember being at Yankee Stadium when David Beckham took a bow several years ago. With George Steinbrenner being part of the Tampa scene,as are the Glazers, their partnership is safe.

Ajax in China? 1.3 billion reasons why that's all good.
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Bericht door jamcocteau » wo mar 01, 2006 4:09 pm

The Purple Cow schreef:
1. Firstly whilst it might be true that Celtic and Rangers have more fan-clubs than any other British clubs, they certainly do not have more fans. Manchester United's fan club has 14,000,000 members in South-East Asia alone.
Correct, that is why I made sure the wording was correct - talking about number of fan clubs / organisations and not individual fans.
O would some power the giftie gie us to see ourselves as others see us.

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Bericht door Venezuelan Ajacied » wo mar 01, 2006 9:47 pm

Lots of frendly's today, Uruguay is beating the English with a stunning, goal... i mean spectacular goal. :yes:

Ecuador is in a deadlock with the oranje in a horribly boring match, i fell a sleep for a while there. :sad: :pukey:

Italy is giving Germany a whooping 2-0 in the first half.

And well those are the three matches i've been watching. :D

There a lot more games going on though. ;)
BRING IT ON !!!!...

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Bericht door Blind3 » wo mar 01, 2006 10:05 pm

The USA usually can't buy a win on the continent. A snowball's, make that snowstorm's, chance in hell of beating Poland in the match;played in Germany? Final from Hell, a.k.a. Kaiserslautern, was Poland 0: USA 1(Clint Dempsey).Match was played in driving,ref introduces yellow ball, snow.Great to watch on tv. ESPN showed they have a clue and televised the game. :xyxthumbs:
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Bericht door Blind3 » wo mar 01, 2006 10:11 pm

:headbang: England v. Uruguay on Fox and Spain v. Ivory Coast on Gol tv. Life is good.
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Bericht door Dubbel » wo mar 01, 2006 10:14 pm

How's Ivory Coast doing? Is their front line(Drogba etc.) any good today?

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Bericht door Blind3 » wo mar 01, 2006 10:17 pm

1:0 to The Netherlands thanks to Dirk Kuijt on 48'.
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Bericht door Blind3 » wo mar 01, 2006 10:28 pm

0:1 to the Ivory Coast, thanks to a goal by Abdulkader Keita on 13'.
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Bericht door Blind3 » wo mar 01, 2006 10:36 pm

1:1 c/o a David Villa goal on 23' . Ivory Coast then rushed right back,but Kone` couldn't control a thru pass with players lining up for a possible cross.Entertaining match.
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Bericht door Dubbel » wo mar 01, 2006 10:44 pm

Keita is a youngster form Lille, isn't he? I take it that IC are playing with him and Psv's Kone up front. Is Drogba still in England?

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Bericht door FlaFlu » do mar 02, 2006 12:23 am

Dubbel schreef:Keita is a youngster form Lille, isn't he? I take it that IC are playing with him and Psv's Kone up front. Is Drogba still in England?
Bonaventure Kalou plays up front with Drogba most of the time. They also have Aruna Dindane as a possibility for the attack. I haven't heard Keita's name too much involving the IC-squad.

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